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nema posta o malim FR drajverima na BIG DIY a da se ne spominje CSS FR-125S i uporedjuje . fostex fe 127e ima malo bolje srednje od njih no ne i bass ono sto g. planet10 (portparol MA ) kaze na BIG DIY za Alpair 7 me ne zanima ----------------------- ovde recimo svo vreme porede dvosistemce sa njima a ne neki FR slicne velicine na kraju sam shvatio da je fora u tome da nema sa cime da ga porede u istom rangu a da ne ocrne proizvodjaca i zamere se - pa se koriste trikom i porede CSS FR-125S sa Exodus Audio Kitom 61 http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=21993.0 CSS FR-125S Review ----------------------------------------------------- The CSS FR-125S is a 4.5 inch full range driver created by Creative Sound Solutions and Adire Audio. The FR-125S uses Adire’s XBL^2 technology and has a large 6mm x-max; very large for a driver under 6 inches. This driver has already received many positive reviews on the Internet. I also give it a positive, although qualified, review; as I expected I would. Adire-designed speakers with XBL^2 are known for their flat frequency response and low distortion levels. At $70 per speaker, the FR-125S is a relatively inexpensive and simple solution for a beginning DIY speaker builder. For about $200, after materials (including some nice Exodus long binding posts), one can build a quality finished bookshelf. Given the interesting technology at play in these little woofers, I had a variety of questions I sought to answer: What role can this little speaker play? Will it work as a speaker for 2-channel audio? Does it excel at playing certain kinds of music? I was especially interested in comparing the CSS FR-125S to the Exodus Audio Kit 61. The Cabinet I bought the introductory special from Creative Sound that included a pair of speakers, CNC cut front baffles, and matching magnet-embedded grills. The front baffle is 6.5 inches by 11 inches. I used a design for this baffle that can be found here: As you can see, the box is a small ported design. The only modification to the design that I made was to move the port to the front baffle. (See pictures at the bottom). The speaker was finished with a semi-gloss black latex and a satin polyurethane clear-coat. I used the excellent Exodus Audio Long Binding Posts. (see my review of these posts here: http://www.diycable.com/main/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=543&reviews_id=26) I have to say, it was really refreshing to build a very simple little speaker. Other than the finish, it was only a one day project. Incidentally, I don’t think I’ll ever try a semi-gloss black finish again; it shows flaws so easily. The Initial Impression I’ll spare you the long and drawn out story regarding the fact that they didn’t sound very good at first, but quickly burned in and sounded MUCH better. I only mention it to warn other buyers not to panic; the first few minutes weren't pretty. The Sound Rather than break this part of the review up into the different CDs that I’ve listened to on the FR-125S, I decided to break this up by frequency response and other sonic characteristics. The top end is as good a place to start as any. I tried to listen to a variety of music on these speakers. The Highs – Grade B-/C What can I say about the highs? They’re definitely there, which is no small accomplishment for a speaker without a dedicated tweeter. They’d be more than adequate for casual low level listening or to serve as home theater surrounds in a small setup. That’s about all I can say about the highs though. Compared to the Usher tweeter of the Exodus Kit 61, they seemed to have less life, speed, and air. More importantly, however, the Usher tweeter of the Kit 61 has the ability to make the speakers “disappear” and create a nice wide natural image and stage. The FR-125S, to my ears, does not have much of this capability. The Midrange – Grade A-/B+ This is the region where these speakers excel. If you like female vocals and violin music, you’re in for a treat with these speakers. The FR-125S can really sing with these types of music and the speaker had the ability to move me during some of Hillary Hahn’s solo violin passages. During solo passages and other simple passages where the midrange, especially the upper midrange, was the primary part of the music, the FR-125S -might- be a little better than the Kit 61. I can only imagine that this might have to do with the paper cone of the FR-125S and the fact that there isn’t a crossover point in this region. So, what’s the reason for the A-/B+? When the going got rough, (i.e., during a busy passage with a lot of midbass and bass), the midrange loses some of its special qualities and sounds less natural and full and more dry. This would especially happen with male vocals on bass-heavy jazz tracks. Higher female vocals and strings usually stayed largely consistent. The Midbass – B- The midbass on these speakers is much more full and rich than on other low priced and small bookshelves like the Polk Rti4 (http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/products/individual/bookshelf/rti4/). This aspect moves the midbass out of the grade C range for me, but that’s all I can say. The Kit 61 midbass, using the Adire Extremis driver, beats the FR-125S in every way imaginable. The Bass – B- Here again, these little speakers have absolutely amazing bass, given the size and price. For the price, simplicity and size you simply can’t find an equal to the FR-125S. Is it adequate for 2-channel listening? Maybe. However, I do still feel like I’m missing some important portion of the frequency range when listening to the FR-125. For example, there are multiple passages on the Camiel – Sunset disc that have some deep bass lines combined with some good fast and deep drumbeats. The bass lines were usually audible because of the higher frequency portions of the notes, but much of the richness and full sound was lost. Some of the deep and fast drumbeats were simply not audible or achieved an undesirable one-note-wonder character. A subwoofer would be needed for HT and stereo listening in moderate to large sized rooms. Is the FR-125S adequate for my 2-channel listening? No. I simply know what I’m missing after having listened to my collection on the Kit 61s. Would it be o.k. for some others? Probably. As I mentioned earlier, these speakers really sing playing female vocals and strings on midbass/bass light tracks. How does the simple FR-125S compare to the Kit 61? The Exodus Kit 61 beats the FR-125S in every way I’ve mentioned, and then some. The only place where a person judging the two could have a question is in the midrange. Summary For every variable other than the midrange, I feel like praise of a speaker built solely around the FR-125S needs to be qualified with “given the size, price, and simplicity.” But you knew this already. People aren’t going to be replacing expensive large bookshelves and towers with speakers built using only the FR-125S. I see this speaker as an excellent role-player. The roles it could do a great job playing: + As a satellite in an HT or stereo sat/sub system. This little thing has excellent WAF and would probably do really well crossed over at 80hz. + As a small room stereo bookshelf for casual listening, a second system, or for anyone that doesn’t really value sparkling highs and tight accurate lows. These speakers do make an excellent DIY project. For $200 finished you can build a capable little speaker that sounds MUCH more expensive than it is. I plan to use my pair as computer speakers, supplemented by a spare 10” subwoofer. I think they’ll really excel in this application. Final Note I’ve said some critical things about the FR-125S. Please note that my criticism is based primarily on a realistic comparison between a bookshelf based on them and the Exodus Kit 61. Compared to any small commercial bookshelf in the same price ballpark, even speakers twice as expensive, I’d put my money on the FR-125S-based speaker. For a frame of reference, to my ears they easily beat in every way the well-reviewed Polk RTi4. -------------------------------------------------- post na istoj strani I have the FR125's in a 7L ported cabinet, in my secondary system. They easily beat the Paradigm Titans they replaced, in every possible way except loudness. I also like them better than the much pricier ATC SCM7's I had in this system, again within their limited volume range and HF dispersion. I thought your review was quite accurate, but I'm not sure that picking the range apart into bass/treble etc really demonstrates the essence of a full-range speaker. These speakers have coherence, musicality and low-level detail WAY beyond their price. When partnerered with high quality equipment, they can generate an extremely convincing portrayal of most kinds of music, including low-level detail like hall sound, breathing, fingers on frets, etc, that are lost or corrupted in most systems. I love the FR125's, but I couldn't live with them as my main speakers, even with subs (I tried). They just can't go much above 80 dB, and LF filtering them to get better volume compromises their main strengths. But they're a ton-o-fun when used within their limits. ----------------------------------------------------- za mene je dovoljna recenica sto u kutiji od 7 L sviraju u svakom pogledu bolje od: http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/1004polk/

prava stvar

hajde da budem precizan:najbolji za moje usi

pa da....imam najbolje visoke sad idu najbolji "srednji" CSS-FR125 sta je najbolji bas

ne trebaju meni visoki..... FOCAL nemam bas ovaj model ali imam slican

na ovo da se nadoda posle css-sdx7 i ja sam zavrsio

ima i ova varijanta: http://creativesound.ca/details.php?model=FR125SRPLUSERT26

evo:-----------Even with low hours*, these things are quite stunning. Everyone who has ever commented on the 125 always says they are amazed by the bass... -----------With the Pass Mini-A (ask Jason for model details) or relatively stock Jolida 302 (EL34 PP triode strapped) no problems at all. Excellent bass extension and articulation on the SS, but rather dry/thin midrange and collapsed soundstage compared to the tubed amp.-----------these speakers sounded like winners right away. Gorgeous female vocals, plenty of bass, not just bass, but bass with all the right textures. Besides their ability to play plenty loud, and image very nicely, there was no fuss over placement, and small enough for domestic harmony.-----------listening to the CSS FR125S for a few days. And I am surprised that I do not want to hurry back to my Jordan JX92s. The FR 125S seem to excell at conveying the emotional quality of dynamic nuance--thus I'm drawn into the music. That and a more relaxed treble compared to the Jordan have helped to make thems a welcome guest, perhaps permanent housemate.-----------My first impression was they put out a lot of bass. Not just for small driver either they just plain put out a lot of bass. As the alephs warmed up the sound became more smoth. I did not hear the bipole with the mini A but I suspect it will be great. -----------It is clear that the FR125S aims into exactly the same market niche as the Jordan. It is a worthy competitor, at a better price.here is the 1st promo sheet on them: http://homepage.mac.com/tlinespeakers/FAL/downloads/CSS-FR125-intro.pdf-----------Well, now I've listened to the FR125S in two different cabinets. Firstly, for a week in a solid pine transmission line type; and secondly, just today, in a Baltic Birch back-horn (the design of this back-horn is a new design). I am surprised that the driver in the back-horn did not produce a midbass hump (such as has been my experience with the Jordan jx92s or a Tang-Band 4-657s)--......What the FR125S does is convey the emotion of a performance so very well--the dynamic nuances!!!--, so well in fact, that I'm listening afresh to my well worn faves and newly enchanted by their spells. I feel the music more. The FR125S are more laid-back (which is fine with me), require more amp juice, and have yet to be as open (though seem as smooth) in comparison to the Jordan's. Time (burn-in) will tell.The only amp I've been using has been a gainclone (I've three such amps and presently no tube or other type amp). -----------FR125s drivers now quite a bit and from the get-go, I liked them. No need for a tweeter here for my tastes. Bob has hit the nail on the head with this one. I think these will be putting a big hurt on Mr. Jordan's sales to come. Are they the end-all answer to audiophilia? No, but I wasn't expecting that either so no biggie right? I have had them in some .25 cube ported enclosures tuned to about 55Hz and the bass impressed most who heard them. Personally, I thought they were a bit "bloaty" sounding to me though. I think maybe a smidgen smaller and higher tuning would cure this for the most part. Bu tthen again, these are likely to be backed up by a sub in most systems so why bother shooting for the limits of the driver when it performs great without doing so. I then dropped them into some smaller sealed enclosures, right at about .15 cubes with moderate stuffing of polyfill. Took them back in the house and really liked what I heard. Listened to them for a bit then had other friends and family give them a listen as well. the majority liked them better sealed, just as I did. I have listened to everything from Pink Floyd, to my Blue Man Group DVD, Dave Mathews live at the Gorge DVD, to some acoustical blues, some bluegrass, to watching movies with these little guys and they rock in my book. Sure they need to be backed up by a subwoofer for rock and movies and the like (my opinion), but hey, it's a 5" driver...what were you really excpecting here? But I can say this, for 5" speakers, they get plenty loud for my family's likings. -----------To my ears this driver does well in a small back loaded horn. There is little in the way of a midbass hump created, oh, maybe a single dB around 100Hz. The bass starts to roll off below 60Hz, but has some presence down to about 40 some, with another drop off below this.I am really liking this driver more and more. The midrange is opening up. Besides dynamic nuanaces that convey swing and the performer's emotional intention, this driver has an upper range harmonic integrety. I hear when another musician takes over a melodic line from another.About the CSS FR125S driver: no desire, in the least, to move it from my main system. -----------Just fired off my Bi-polar ML TQWT using the CCS FR 125 full rangers and after 5 minutes of listening I had to grab two handfuls of Accoustastuff and push them into the vents. Hard to imagine a 4" driver with too much bass! Can't measure them but they follow M. King's model for two drivers in a single enclosure.They really sound great. Would love to post pictures but the files are too large and my computer skills are too small to figure out how. Thanks Bob--these are a whole new kind of musical animal.-----------I got to hear the Raw Acoustic CSS Speakers at CES in the Adire Audio room, they were wonderful. They were in a small ported box.

zvanican thread na Big DIY o fr125s (na 25 strana)http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/59762-css-fr125s-production-units-playing-now.htmlvaljda nisu svi poludeli koji ga hvale narvno citao sam i negativne kritike

M019-130 Under water Speaker System - Portable underwater speaker system is first choice of synchronized swimmers.

zajebavas....ako...te ako.... pamti pa vrati

ovo je najzesca zamisao sto videh do sada:

pa znas kako full-range dok se ne skupi za ostale delove

neka horna + CSS FR125s srednji + neka Sonido basina

nabavi ti meni 2 x CSS FR125s .... za pocetak :crazy:mozda napravim na kraju trosistemce :rofl:svasta coveku padne na pamet kad vidi ne zavrsen zvucnik:

evo ovde je do u creva razradjeno, uporedni test OB Mark Audio Alpair 6 metal cone driver, Tang Band W3-1364 bamboo cone driver, Tang Band W4-1320 bamboo cone driver and CSS FR125S paper cone driver : http://www.gadgets.co.nz/mjv/loudspeakers/exp03.shtml CSS ima jebeni 6mm X-max i zato je dublji za 10Hz a i skuplji........

kakav je tek trip CSS ako je dublji i detaljniji - citaj ovo:http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/68288-tb-w4-1320b-vs-css-fr125s.html kako se samo ova mala membrana krece: :sarcastic_hand:oba mogu da idu u potpuno iste kutije

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/173371-tang-band-w4-1320-bookshelf-mltl-speaker-build.html

DYna, a ovaj bamboo mozes pre da nabavis od CSS FR125 :scratch_head:kazu da bolje svira CSS FR125

da da.... video sam kod ovog svabova da ide cak do 50Hz

ovaj je dobar isto: bolesnik