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5 minutes ago, Zen Mod said:

Wolijev broj 001

Koji je tvoj ?

8 hours ago, guja011 said:

ono sve zavisi šta je turio kao aktivu pa se razočarao.

moja 2 centa dok ne nađeš to

Čovek koji je se naslušao Tannoya i kondezatora u njima. Ovo naravno ne mora da važi za druge zvučnike.

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Budget category

Ansar polypropylenes: well made, inexpensive and can be ordered to reasonable tolerances. Highly recommended;

Solen Polyproplynes: As above really, a complete no-brainer and can be ordered to very tight tolerances by request from suppliers such as Jerry at Falcon Acoustics.

Mid Priced:

Claritycap ESA: superb tonality when compared in like-for-like values with other similarly priced capacitors used in the signal path in mid range and HF sections of crossovers. Balanced, clean and whilst some caps lend an air of presence which can border on brightness (which is audible but odd since crossover points haven't altered), the ESA's unoversally seem to be even handed where I've tried them. I cannot recommend these highly enough.

Claritycap MR: Claritycap undertook detailed research into voltage induced plate distortion in crossover capacitors and their meaured results proved rather eye-opening. The MR was specially developed to limit this distortion to a fraction of what other polypropylene capacitors seemingly generated under measurement and has been described as the ultimate crossover capacitor. I have my reservations about this though. They are undoubtedly good, in tests against the ESAs they offered a very slight sonic advantage in clarity and also when used in the signal for mid range units, they seemed to exhibit slightly more body to the sound, but the differences seemed minor. Their biggest drawback is cost. The are almost prohibitively expensive.

Mundorf M-Cap Supreme: I like these almost as much as the Claritycap ESAs. Very similar in many respects. Slightly different plate design with Mundorf making their own claims about why this is the ultimate speaker crossover capacitor. I don't know about that but it shares a similar clarity when used in HF signal path to the Claritycap ESAs, although it is slightly more expensive.

Mundorf M-Cap Evo Oil: A strange one this. Again, a "different" physical construction to just about any other capacitor I tested. They claim a very short, almost "lossless" signal path with ultra-low ESR, combined with exceptional tolerance, but it also has very low equivalent series inductivity (ESL). Of all the capacitors trialled in my Tannoy crossovers, none made such a startling difference (and I use the term advisedly) as this one when used in the notch filter to reign in the audible effects of the 3KHz horn resonance that all MG and HPD tweeter horns suffer from. Quite how a capacitor does this, I'm not at all sure, but it was tested repeatedly with the same audible results...ie a significant improvement in clarity of signal and reduction in audible lift/distortion.

It is also a very good cap to use for the main HF signal path and best of all is that the prices are very reasonable.

One other trick I tried with various caps was to use the solens and other lower cost caps and bypass them with small value Mundorff MCap EVO oils with some good results. This can be rather hit and miss sonically but it is a way to improve linearity with increasing frequency. 

What seems to matter more than the label on the capacitor though is getting the values right.

https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?28770-Tannoy-Crossovers-Capacitor-testing-and-evaluation/page5

I ovaj švajser nije loš. Malo veće špulne od pikavaca:

http://www.jkwynn.co.uk/HPD_HTML/HPD_Thumbs.html

Ali male u odnosu na moje 

5 hours ago, John Coltrane said:

gu 50

Ali prvo nađi Gu koji ima ljubičast žig

Ovo je prava autentična skretnica za The Tannoy Westminster Royal SE

Dakle VDH kabl.  ClarityCap MR sa Tannoy oznakom (može bilo šta da se stavi po narudžbini)

Otpornici su mi jedino enigma šta su.....

Sve u svemu jadno za 38.000 evra

46 minutes ago, vladd said:

https://www.hilberink.nl/codehans/tannoy86.htm

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In the original Gold's passive crossover, the 3khz notch filter cannot cure the drivers inherent ~3khz resonance anomalies, (tannoy honk) it can only attempt to reduce the excitation of the resonance(s) by actually preventing similar frequencies (tone) in the composite audio intelligence (music) from actually getting to the driver. IE by taking out part of the music on either side of the resonance as well as those tones with similar frequency to the resonance,
In preserving the original filter's passive sonic characteristics, 'Q' and notch depth, improvement of the 3knz notch symmetry about the centre frequency has been made, (blue trace), allowing about 1.25db more detail for over an octave of the important midtones preceding the notch.

Ovo je sad najluđe ovde što piše.... Ja nemam 3khz anomaliju. Merio 5 puta i nema je. Niti je fabričkom skretnicom  predviđen 3K notch filter. 

Rackham approved. Šta su izvodili sa ovom prvom serijom plastičnih membrana koje uopšte ne zvuče plastično samo on zna.....Igrali se ljudi sa polimerima.

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1 hour ago, neskor said:

skoro sam probao i digitalnu skretnicu MiniDSP 2x4HD

mislim da bi digitalna radila kao pasivna ali da ima točak kao na HAM radiju na 6 decimala da  baždariš frekfenciju. 

4.500,0000 Khz

Ako je L1 -  1.270mH  

C5 -  5.6uF

i R1 47

dobijem 4.492 Khz  (i dalje čujem 3D / "presence")

ako ode ispod 4.400 Khz  - jok..... "presence" is dead

Mayfair sweep orgin.asc

Ne mogu da nađem sad tog sa diyaudio.com.  Slično pisanije kod sad @neskor

Čovek nije uspeo nikakvim EQ da namesti da dobije taj 3D efekt koji pravi Tannoy pasivom...

Msm može... da ugradiš satelite i Surround system . Ali to više nema veze sa Tannoy.....

I ne samo to.... Ako 5%  odstupa skretnica kod Tannoy od fabričke - gubi se taj efekt. I na pasivnoj.

Srednji i visoki mora da se seku pod istim uglom na istoj frekfenciji .

A pre neki dan sam provalio da kod mene se seče na 0 podeoku  na  4  decimale.

1 minute ago, guja011 said:

jel se ijedan tanojista-korisnik zaebo do sada pa napravio aktivne skretnice?

čisto info pitanje

Ima. Čitah jednog juče na big diy.

Kaže da se vratio nazad na pasivnu.  Nađem pa ti citiram da vidiš-

13 hours ago, Zen Mod said:

vise su ulozili u kuciste no u spulne

Može da se desi da je upravo to glavni problem. Špulne ko pikavci a kondovi ko štapini dinamita.

I onda im ne valja nijedan kond. Ili su svi isti. Ili....jbmlga

Ima ih bre raznih. Raznih mišljenja. Nikako da se dogovore.

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All the decent PP caps I've tried, all the big fuckers, sound exactly the same. There are after all only three manufacturers for the main ones that you see rebranded all over the place.

ClarityCap, Jantzen and  Mundorf.

Get whatever fits in the box and then bypass it with a small Teflon. Things like the ClarityCap sound different to the basic films, but you pay for it, and they are no better imho to teflon bypassed film. I prefer cheap films bypassed to the ClarityCap I had in my speakers.

For bypassing them I use Russian teflons from ebay .1uf

Ali Tanojisti uglavnom koriste ClarityCap.  Valjda što je iz UK. 

12 minutes ago, Woland said:

barem tri krunjača je završilo u mojim spravama

pa kad ne kupujete butik kondove . iz butika samo Cinemag

neka ...... od blata ce me pravite .....

Isto burazeru.  Ima najskuplje ClarityCap  da ugradim u skretnicu. Da bi dobio ono što čujem na slušalicama kad slušam Koan. 

A mislim da ću da završim sa Acinim Ribonom na vrhu zvučnika zbog Koan

sa ovom sam shvatio da mi trebaju clarityCap ESA  u skretnici . a možda i MR na visokom.... da bi izlazio ton koji treba. 

1 minute ago, Vix said:

 

 

 

Tek na Koan se čuje Tannoy šta radi 

6 minutes ago, Zen Mod said:

babin Telefunken

Oču babin Telefunken da izlazi  iz IP i u Sissy. 

A italijani i ostali nek slušaju preamp koji nije tu.

15 minutes ago, vladd said:

Nadjes simulator rada lampe online, i krenes da klizas 

Kakvo crno klizanje i eksperimentisanje. Erno Borbely je to uradio još pre 40 godina.

The All-FET Line Amp.  

Kad čuješ njegov PAT 5 vilica ti padne na pod. Koliko svira isto kao lampa. I bolje od lampe.

Problem je što je malo njih čulo njegove konstrukcije pa traže Gral....

Ja imao PAT 5 i prodao ga u ludilu sebe. I tražim 20 godina takav zvuk.

I onda se pojavio neki Zen Moderator koji nudi opciono Borbely bafer na ulazu za Sissy i IP.

A ja pao u fras kad sam skontao da je šećer o kome priča Zen zvuk koji tražim 20 godina.

Naravno da će da mi ugradi na oba Borbley bafer. I onda mi lampa ne treba.

jebem ti sve naježih se SAV 

Verzija 4  

Podseća me na leptire u ramovima. Taj fazon.

Ma na kraju će i meni da skretnica stoji na komodi. Upareno sve na 0.1%

beš mi sve