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#21
Odgovor 23 December 2011 - 22:50
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#22
Odgovor 24 December 2011 - 02:16
Shoba, za 23 December 2011 - 20:32, kaže:
Posto je F5 strujno pojacalo kakve karakteristike bi trebao da ima preamp?
Nista zato, radi se o sledecem: nacin na koji je u ovom ampu primenjena povratna sprega se cesto i netacno naziva "strujna povratna sprega". Takvo nesto naravno, ne postojni. Izraz je potekao iz marketinskih kuhinja proizvodjaca OpAmp-ova (CFB - current feedback). Sustina je u maloj impedansi cvora na koji se dovodi povratna sprega - Source-ovi ulaznih JFETova a ne Gate-ovi kao sto je uobicajeno. To donosi odredjene specificnosti ali je naziv CFB pogresan.
Naravno, sve to zajedno nema nikakve veze sa izborom pretpojacala. U osnovi, njega biras na osnovu potrebnog pojacanja, ulazne impedanse ampa i vrste izvora signala.
ILI LAKO, IL' NIKAKO
#23
Odgovor 21 January 2012 - 21:38
Razmisljam se da izbacim kondezatore na plocici ima dva elektrolita i dva bloka po kanalu da li se neko igrao sa tim
#24
Odgovor 30 January 2012 - 22:22
Polako privodimo pojacalo prvim probama medjutim imam jedno pitanje kako se vezuju motor run kondezatori Da li na svaku granu napajanja po jedan u mom slucaju 4 i da li je on kao elektrolit ili kao blok pa da ima veze kako se zice povezuju.
#25
Odgovor 30 January 2012 - 22:51
blok
vezes ga kao bypass na zadni elko u filteru
kod tebe dakle 4 kom
vezes ga kao bypass na zadni elko u filteru
kod tebe dakle 4 kom
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#26
Odgovor 30 January 2012 - 23:04
Hvala
#27
Odgovor 11 February 2012 - 19:44
Da li se napon meri prema masi ili izmedju plus i minusa treba da ima 24
#28
Odgovor 11 February 2012 - 19:50
ako je trafo 2x18Vac imaces oko 2x22V5 pod opterecenjem
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#29
Odgovor 11 February 2012 - 20:00
Nisam mislio koliki se dobija napon nego da li se napon meri prema masi ili izmedju plus i minusa treba da ima 24
#30
Odgovor 11 February 2012 - 20:03
procitaj ponovo
dobio si odgovor
dobio si odgovor
Ovo je forum gde svi mogu pisati sve sto žele ;
ali kada nemaju šta da napišu , neka to i ne napišu .
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#31
Odgovor 11 February 2012 - 20:07
Nebitan mi je napon samo mi je bitno gde merim da bi ga dobio.
#32
Odgovor 11 February 2012 - 21:14
#33
Odgovor 12 February 2012 - 00:00
ako ulazis sa toliko koncentracije i u samu gradnju ampa - batali ;
neces preziveti
neces preziveti
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#34
Odgovor 12 February 2012 - 01:36
#35
Odgovor 12 February 2012 - 21:39
Pojacalo je sastavljeno i probano vise sati, bias nije diran nego samo probe radi prikacen na isto tako ne skutijan NS10.
Zvuk je jako brz, precizan svilenkast cini mi se da fali malo basa, pre ovoga imao sam Hiragu i u poredjenju sa F5 ima kremastiji u dublji zvuk.Mozda je razlog tome ne ustelovan bias i ne usviranost istog. Koliko vidim ovi hladnjaci nece biti dovoljni( Kolika bi trebala da bude radna temperatuta TR)
Zvuk je jako brz, precizan svilenkast cini mi se da fali malo basa, pre ovoga imao sam Hiragu i u poredjenju sa F5 ima kremastiji u dublji zvuk.Mozda je razlog tome ne ustelovan bias i ne usviranost istog. Koliko vidim ovi hladnjaci nece biti dovoljni( Kolika bi trebala da bude radna temperatuta TR)
#36
Odgovor 13 February 2012 - 11:12
Verujem da bi i ostale DIY-ovce zanimalo ovo pitanje. Kako da ustelujem bias i o cemu treba voditi racuna.
#37
Odgovor 13 February 2012 - 11:20
Firstwatt.com / products / F5 / manual - sve je detaljno objasnjeno (strana 14, a procitaj i ostalo, bice ti jasnije kako taj amp radi):
http://firstwatt.com...prod_f5_man.pdf
http://firstwatt.com...prod_f5_man.pdf
ILI LAKO, IL' NIKAKO
#38
Odgovor 13 February 2012 - 11:31
Na velikom DIYA je član ovog voruma sensei ZM napisao odgovor na slično pitanje, meni bilo zgodno pa usnimijo na hard kao podsetnik:
Sem ovoga, poslušati savet sensei Sipija.
Citat
START UP!
toss that and start with using your own head ; numbers are not relevant as meaning of procedure
dial both pots to 0 ohms ( check with ohmmeter )
place one voltmeter across PSU caps ( best between + and - of PSU) to observe max voltage of PSU
place one voltmeter at output - to observe offset
place one voltmeter across one source resistors of output mosfets ; it doesn't matter which one .
for test - slowly dial up Variac ( presuming that you have one , as man with many skills) up to full mains voltage , observing voltage at PSU ....... thinking about max cap voltage ( 25V as in FW ? ) , because with 0 Iq PSU is unloaded and voltage is maxed
if nothing is smelling - leave Variac at full mains ;
what's important - Iq must be very low , offset is irrelevant in this moment .
now turn one pot one turn ( assuming that you have multiturns )
then turn other pot one turn
observe Iq and offset
proceed one then second pot , again just one turn
observe Iq and offset
again one turn + one turn
now you are probably in range when you can see which pot is pulling offset in right direction - to 0 .
proceed iteratively with pots , while you set - say - 75% of desired Iq and zero offset
now - put lid on box and let it cook for a while - until yo get thermal equilibrium on heatsinks
it's best to use wire/clips to leave those voltmeters in place ;
open the lid , up bias to - say - 90% of desired one ,while maintaining offset
put lid on , let it cook
check ;
if all is OK - move voltmeters for Iq and offset to other channel and repeat procedure
use it few days at 90% of desired bias , then check and set to 100%
remember - temp. equilibrium with lid on is important
simple , isn't it ?
in any case - simpler than re-doing cylinder head ....
toss that and start with using your own head ; numbers are not relevant as meaning of procedure
dial both pots to 0 ohms ( check with ohmmeter )
place one voltmeter across PSU caps ( best between + and - of PSU) to observe max voltage of PSU
place one voltmeter at output - to observe offset
place one voltmeter across one source resistors of output mosfets ; it doesn't matter which one .
for test - slowly dial up Variac ( presuming that you have one , as man with many skills) up to full mains voltage , observing voltage at PSU ....... thinking about max cap voltage ( 25V as in FW ? ) , because with 0 Iq PSU is unloaded and voltage is maxed
if nothing is smelling - leave Variac at full mains ;
what's important - Iq must be very low , offset is irrelevant in this moment .
now turn one pot one turn ( assuming that you have multiturns )
then turn other pot one turn
observe Iq and offset
proceed one then second pot , again just one turn
observe Iq and offset
again one turn + one turn
now you are probably in range when you can see which pot is pulling offset in right direction - to 0 .
proceed iteratively with pots , while you set - say - 75% of desired Iq and zero offset
now - put lid on box and let it cook for a while - until yo get thermal equilibrium on heatsinks
it's best to use wire/clips to leave those voltmeters in place ;
open the lid , up bias to - say - 90% of desired one ,while maintaining offset
put lid on , let it cook
check ;
if all is OK - move voltmeters for Iq and offset to other channel and repeat procedure
use it few days at 90% of desired bias , then check and set to 100%
remember - temp. equilibrium with lid on is important
simple , isn't it ?
in any case - simpler than re-doing cylinder head ....
Sem ovoga, poslušati savet sensei Sipija.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose...
#39
Odgovor 13 February 2012 - 12:50
Probaj ovaj preamp.Posle eksperimentisanja sa jedno 15-tak opampova ni ja nisam mogao da verujem da ce ovaj NJM 2068 ovako zapevati(bar na mom Crescendu i BOSE-u)Kolo nije nista specijalno po karakteristikama ali me interesovalo zasto ga Japanci toliko forsiraju u svojim uredjajima.Sastavis ga za pola sata pa probaj.Eletroliti su NIPPON CHEMI-CON SME.
#40
Odgovor 13 February 2012 - 12:52
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